I think if I was born into real real poverty in the UK, I think it's kind of a bit of a fantasy that I would — I think it would be a lot more challenging for me to be sat here with you right now. And I think that people don't want to engage with that too much because also a lot of our culture is saturated with these ideas of rags to riches stories and people overcoming. And I think for the most part it's a fantasy.
