It's not just being a con man, which is something else. It's I am cheating the system. And that to me, I think illuminates not only Trump, but also many of the people who follow him because they're like, 'Yeah, he's just a smart businessman. This is the way you're supposed to do business.' And in a way that's a real denigration and destruction of what the system is, which is the American people trying to make rules under which to govern themselves.
